JANUARY 11, 2025 – Regarding interest rates, the 30-year US Treasury Bond yield should easily surpass 5% (specifically, 5.18%) this year. I said over the past few months that the number of Fed Fund Rate cuts will be minimal. The market has said such and Powell is doing as the market instructs.
ECONOMY – I see that my November 8th post said no more economy updates. It provided the simple way to predict the economy 6 months into the future. With the DOW peaking in December, the economy has ZERO chance of being in a recession during the first half of this year. GDP forecasts are calling for continued growth over 2% during the first two quarters. For a recession to occur, we will need BOTH the 3rd and 4th Quarter GDP readings to be negative. The only way I see that happening is for a worldwide shutdown to occur like happened 5 years (!!! time flies eh!!!) ago. Otherwise, virtually no chance of a recession in 2025. We will see what the DOW says come June.
BITCOIN – My July 3rd post said the next up move would take Bitcoin over $100,000. Bitcoin closed at $57k that day. It peaked at $108k. That was a nice ride for us crypto investors. On November 8th, I said Bitcoin would hit $100k-$190k in 2025. We already got the lower end taken care of. I think $130-$150k will be the low end of this next up wave.
I said the following in my August 2nd post:
GOLD & SILVER – The gold target is still $2500-$2600. Silver looks extremely good with a move to the $34-$40 range likely.
Gold peaked over $2700 (I sold my high school ring when it was at that level…ironically when my parents bought it gold was at an all-time high over $800/ounce!) and silver over $35. I am waiting for the current corrections to finish before I take long positions again.
That’s all for 2025 forecasts. Best of luck to everyone.
Shalom,
The Mann
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STOCK MARKET AND INTEREST RATES
MAY 15, 2024 – It has only been ten days since I posted an update about stocks and bonds. But, when things change, you need to note it. It looks like the recent correction ended in my target range and the final leg of this Bull Market is underway. We are dealing with TARGET 1 from my January 8th post which stated the following:
TARGET 1 – The current rally peaks out around 40,522. This is followed by a decline to the 37,008-38,350 range. Then a final rally to the 42,872-45,640 range with possible targets within the range being 44,214 and 44,298.
Obviously, it would be best to round the numbers and use general ranges. Based on the above, I would say the current rally should take us above 40,000 and up to 42,000 at the high end. A small decline should end in the 37,000 to 39,000 range. And the last big move in this Bull Market should end between 43,000 and 47,000.
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In late March, the DOW peaked at about 40,300. Since then, a data correction has been made and the top is listed at just under 40,000. I haven’t seen that happen before. Regardless, the top was close enough to the Target 1 projection of 40,522. The subsequent correction was a short 5 weeks (ended April 17th) and bottomed in the 37,000 to 38,500 range at precisely 37,612.
As noted in the January 8th forecast above, the final target range is in the 43,000 to 45,500 range. It is crazy to be precise (albeit the past 5 months have been spot on), but I really am liking 44,000 to 44,300 for a final top. As this final leg plays out, a more precise target can be made.
Remember, a Bull Market climbs a wall of worries. And for 18+ months it has fed on the world predicting a recession. Regardless of where we go from here, ALL of those economists and pundits have been 100% wrong. The case is closed on them.
INTEREST RATES – As noted ten days ago, it appears the bond decline ended on April 25th. Bonds have rallied strongly since then. Albeit, the first wave of the 5-wave move has probably ended and a small decline should start immediately. A much larger rally lies ahead – which means interest rates will resume their decline at that time.
I will post updates as the stock and bond rallies unfold.
Shalom,
The Mann
P.S. If I told you that sometime in the 2030’s we may have +100% annual GDP growth, what would you say?
TARGET 1 – The current rally peaks out around 40,522. This is followed by a decline to the 37,008-38,350 range. Then a final rally to the 42,872-45,640 range with possible targets within the range being 44,214 and 44,298.
Obviously, it would be best to round the numbers and use general ranges. Based on the above, I would say the current rally should take us above 40,000 and up to 42,000 at the high end. A small decline should end in the 37,000 to 39,000 range. And the last big move in this Bull Market should end between 43,000 and 47,000.
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In late March, the DOW peaked at about 40,300. Since then, a data correction has been made and the top is listed at just under 40,000. I haven’t seen that happen before. Regardless, the top was close enough to the Target 1 projection of 40,522. The subsequent correction was a short 5 weeks (ended April 17th) and bottomed in the 37,000 to 38,500 range at precisely 37,612.
As noted in the January 8th forecast above, the final target range is in the 43,000 to 45,500 range. It is crazy to be precise (albeit the past 5 months have been spot on), but I really am liking 44,000 to 44,300 for a final top. As this final leg plays out, a more precise target can be made.
Remember, a Bull Market climbs a wall of worries. And for 18+ months it has fed on the world predicting a recession. Regardless of where we go from here, ALL of those economists and pundits have been 100% wrong. The case is closed on them.
INTEREST RATES – As noted ten days ago, it appears the bond decline ended on April 25th. Bonds have rallied strongly since then. Albeit, the first wave of the 5-wave move has probably ended and a small decline should start immediately. A much larger rally lies ahead – which means interest rates will resume their decline at that time.
I will post updates as the stock and bond rallies unfold.
Shalom,
The Mann
P.S. If I told you that sometime in the 2030’s we may have +100% annual GDP growth, what would you say?
STOCK MARKET AND INTEREST RATES
MAY 5, 2024 – It’s been awhile since I posted about stocks and bonds. It takes time for the waves to play out. Back on January 8th I posted the following:
There are two target options so I will simply label them 1 and 2. They are both bullish so I am not saying the market may go up, but it may go down:) Just saying that there are a few ways it can play out statistically. So here goes the impossible….
TARGET 1 – The current rally peaks out around 40,522. This is followed by a decline to the 37,008-38,350 range. Then a final rally to the 42,872-45,640 range with possible targets within the range being 44,214 and 44,298.
TARGET 2 – The current rally peaks out around 41,906. This is followed by a decline to the 38,392-39,734 range. Then a final rally to the 44,256-47,819 range with possible targets within the range being 44,256 and 45,598.
Obviously, it would be best to round the numbers and use general ranges. Based on the above, I would say the current rally should take us above 40,000 and up to 42,000 at the high end. A small decline should end in the 37,000 to 39,000 range. And the last big move in this Bull Market should end between 43,000 and 47,000.
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In late March, the DOW peaked at about 40,300. Since then, a data correction has been made and the top is listed at just under 40,000. I haven’t seen that happen before. Regardless, the top was close enough to the Target 1 projection of 40,522. The subsequent correction has been underway for 5 weeks and we are right in the 37,000 to 38,500 range.
As I have noted in the past, as the waves unfold I can update the targets. I would say the low end of the range needs to be lowered to 36,000. I do not think the low for this correction is in place, yet.
INTEREST RATES – There is a good chance the bond decline finally ended on April 25th. This was a 4-month decline. From here bonds should rally at least through the Summer and interest rates should decline at least 100bp.
I will post a stock update when I believe this correction has ended.
Shalom,
The Mann
There are two target options so I will simply label them 1 and 2. They are both bullish so I am not saying the market may go up, but it may go down:) Just saying that there are a few ways it can play out statistically. So here goes the impossible….
TARGET 1 – The current rally peaks out around 40,522. This is followed by a decline to the 37,008-38,350 range. Then a final rally to the 42,872-45,640 range with possible targets within the range being 44,214 and 44,298.
TARGET 2 – The current rally peaks out around 41,906. This is followed by a decline to the 38,392-39,734 range. Then a final rally to the 44,256-47,819 range with possible targets within the range being 44,256 and 45,598.
Obviously, it would be best to round the numbers and use general ranges. Based on the above, I would say the current rally should take us above 40,000 and up to 42,000 at the high end. A small decline should end in the 37,000 to 39,000 range. And the last big move in this Bull Market should end between 43,000 and 47,000.
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In late March, the DOW peaked at about 40,300. Since then, a data correction has been made and the top is listed at just under 40,000. I haven’t seen that happen before. Regardless, the top was close enough to the Target 1 projection of 40,522. The subsequent correction has been underway for 5 weeks and we are right in the 37,000 to 38,500 range.
As I have noted in the past, as the waves unfold I can update the targets. I would say the low end of the range needs to be lowered to 36,000. I do not think the low for this correction is in place, yet.
INTEREST RATES – There is a good chance the bond decline finally ended on April 25th. This was a 4-month decline. From here bonds should rally at least through the Summer and interest rates should decline at least 100bp.
I will post a stock update when I believe this correction has ended.
Shalom,
The Mann
R.I.P. RECESSION PREDICTORS – YOU WERE DEAD WRONG!
DECEMBER 15, 2023 – First off, happy birthday to my dear wife.
Back in April and June, I mentioned that the wave theory I follow showed a strong rally ahead. It would require us breaking through the all-time highs by a wide margin. This week the Dow 30 achieved new highs and is above 37,000 for the first time ever. 40k and possibly 44k in 2024 are on the table. They have been for over 6 months.
With the information below it is time to 100% emphatically declare anyone that has forecast a recession for the past 18 months and into 2024 dead wrong. Their analysis is totally in error. Just fess up and admit with hat in hand you have no clue what you were talking about. You will feel better:) On to where the data stands and what it is telling us.
BANKS – To date, we have had two bank closures that I am aware of. One was strange as it was not FDIC-insured. We will be ending the year much closer to my forecast of 0-10 closures than the 176-200 closures forecast by many people. I think we will be able to say the same next December.
As for CRE loan defaults, I have dealt with about 5 bad loans. There has been no consistency as to why the loans went south. I am seeing nothing that indicates a lot of foreclosures nor anything specific to a property type.
Amazingly, the Regional Bank Index (KRE) is up 58% from its yearly low and is back above where it was before the SVB/SBNY closings. Remember, buy when there is blood in the streets. It worked again.
To reiterate, the market is saying that it does not believe there will be a CRE loan debacle for banks. Either not many CRE loans will default and/or banks are well prepared and capitalized to handle the defaults.
HOUSING – Home prices have been up all year and the rate of appreciation is increasing. It isn’t much. That is a good sign as it can be sustained into 2024.
The Homebuilders Stock Index was up over 5% one day this week and is now up an incredible 62% (!)from last year’s lows. On top of that, this is an all-time high.
Those who forecast a crash in the housing market continue to be way off the mark. As I said all along, 7% interest rates are nothing to worry about.
INTEREST RATES – Bonds bottomed on October 23rd. A strong rally has dropped rates by about 100bp already. A minor correction should start soon. Then after the new year, we will continue the decline in interest rates. The target is about 25-125bp lower than we are today.
INFLATION – The December report came in at 3.1%, well below my forecast of 3.6%. The 3-month annualized inflation rate is 0.0%. The 6-month annualized inflation rate is 1.9%. These figures are lower than the annualized rate (3.1%) and thus indicate the annual CPI should drift lower. However, continue reading.
Based on the data, my prediction for next month’s figure is 3.5%-3.6%. The January report should show annual CPI for 2023 to be around 3.5%. Then from the February report on into the Summer, the CPI should crumble towards 2%.
SUMMARY – With the Dow 30, bank, and housing stocks at their highs, the markets are saying all should be well through the first half of 2024. The economy is supposed to be looking good in an Election Year. That looks to be the case again.
I will reprint this statement from a post a few months ago: I put this hidden little sentence out there to refer back to in 12-18 months – The chance of a recession occurring looks to be 4th Quarter 2024 into 2025. The first year of the president cycle often sees an economic downturn. I suspect that a year from now the broken-clock recession mongers will have given up and admitted the economy is strong, et al. Just in time to be wrong again:)
Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!
Shalom,
The Mann
(MIS)LEADING ECONOMIC INDICATOR & MORE
SEPTEMBER 25, 2023 – Most importantly, only 3 months to Christmas:) And I am sure you have seen all of the Christmas stuff in the stores already. Next year it will be out in July. Ridiculous.
Two more recession indicators are wrong this time around. The (Mis)Leading Economic Indicator has declined for 17 straight months. I assume its purpose is to forecast a recession to occur within a few months after several negative readings. It has been wrong for over a year. Maybe this is where the broken record (look it up youngsters) recession mongers get their reasoning for thinking a recession is about to occur. Just fyi, the only other times it had this long of a streak was 1973-1975 and 2007-2009. The two worst recessions since The Great Depression.
The third indicator that has been wrong is M-2 Money Supply. It is more negative than it was in The Great Depression! Yet, no recession. In fact, it is looking like 3rd Quarter GDP may show an acceleration in growth to over 2%. However, I will say that is not a lock as I have seen forecasts from 0.5% to over 5.5% (Fed Atlanta). This quarter will be very unpredictable. But, it should definitely be positive and thus we can officially close the case on there being no recession in 2023.
Let me bring something up for the first time. I think I will be harping on this for the next few years. I believe the reason many prominent indicators are wrong this go around is due to what has happened since the pandemic. Almost all indicators soared to extreme high readings never seen before. And many are falling to record lows. What I am seeing is if you draw a straight line from say 2010 or 2015 through 2023, these indicators are exactly where they should be. i.e. The lows are evening out the highs and overall we are reverting to the mean.
I saw this recently in national retail sales. Adjusted for inflation, retail sales have been flat for the past 18-24 months. However, they increased significantly after the pandemic. If you apply the 2010-2019 compound annual growth rate to 2019 sales, you will be exactly where we are at in 2023. I will discuss more examples and provide more specific information as I encounter graphs showing this occurrence.
FED FUND RATES – The Fed did what it was told to do and held rates the same in September. Also, they went ahead and said what the market has forecast for a long time and that is another rate hike lies ahead. The 100% trend of the Fed following the market continues.
HOUSING – As I noted in a prior blog, the market is signaling weakness in the housing market after forecasting the strength we have seen all year. The homebuilder stock index has declined 10% from its July top. We need to continue to watch this play out. It is telling us we should see weakness next Spring. What will slow the accelerating strength in the housing market? Maybe 8%+ rates on 30-year mortgages? About the only thing I can think of. But, it doesn’t matter. The market just says it will happen. The price trend in the 4th Quarter will tell us if the Spring slowdown is just that or the start of a more significant downturn like we had in the second half of 2022.
REGIONAL BANKS – These stocks have declined a significant 15% from their July highs. Basically, they declined some more after the SVP failure, then soared over 40%, and now down 15% – in the end, they have gone nowhere since the Monday after the SVP failure. What is the market telling us? It definitely says not to expect the 250-400+ bank failures that so many people are predicting. Those people expected such to occur by now, in fact. As far as I know, the number remains at one small bank in Kansas. In regard to CRE loans, banks have been refinancing these all year long at higher interest rates. I haven’t heard of any significant issues. The problems have occurred in the CMBS market – gotta hand it to the supposed smartest lenders and investors in real estate:)
INTEREST RATES – Treasury Bonds have broken below last October’s low. This means interest rates are at new highs for this downturn. As I write this, I see a headline saying they are at the highest level since 2007. However, we are now on the clock to look for a final bottom in this multi-year downturn in prices (increases in yields). That doesn’t mean it will occur next week. I am thinking it is several months away. Maybe around the beginning of the year. Too early to give a reasonable forecast re timing and price (yield). The 4th Quarter price action will get us much closer to predicting when the bottom is in. What should follow will be a strong bond rally back to the range of the Summer 2022 and April 2023 highs (lows in yields). First things first. Let’s have the current downturn play out and get a bottom in place. Bottomline, mortgage rates will not be going down the remainder of the year. And they might head over 8% on the 30-year mortgage.
Well, that was a lot to cover. I will probably post again once we get the October inflation reading.
Til then, Happy Fall.
Shalom,
The Mann
CRE LOAN REFINANCING – A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE
UPDATE – AUGUST 10, 2023 – I just came across some interesting information. Over the past decade, regional banks only had 18% of their loan originations backed by office properties – larger banks had 26%. They also originated a lower share in hotels, industrial, and retail properties. Regional banks had 47% of their volume in apartments compared to 29% for larger banks. The concern about regional bank loan portfolios being decimated by office building loans is obviously unfounded.
AUGUST 9, 2023 – In mid-June I posted about the so-called CRE loan debacle that lies ahead. I provided some hypothetical numbers that showed for the most part borrowers will have no problem with their refis.
I just reviewed an appraisal of an apartment property that I also reviewed 5 years ago when the borrower purchased the property. The bank was kind enough to provide me the loan details then and now. So, let’s see how the numbers work out.
2018 – A $633,000 loan was made against an $800,000 appraised value (purchase price was $840,000). The LTV was 79%. Annual Debt Service was $49,670 based on a 4.89% interest rate and 20-year amortization. The appraiser estimated NOI at $60,387. The DSCR was 1.22.
2023 – The outstanding loan balance is now $527,230. The current appraised value is $1,280,000. The new LTV is 41%(!). Annual Debt Service will be $49,814 based on a 7.20% interest rate and 20-year amortization. The appraiser estimates NOI at $97,474. The new DSCR is 1.96(!). ((I was curious what interest rate would make the Annual Debt Service result in the same 1.22 DSCR as when the original loan was made. It is 14.27%! I shout to the moon that everyone can easily afford 7%+ interest rates!!! Wake me up when we hit 14%:) ))
This will be the case with most apartment and industrial loans. Net Operating Income has increased significantly more than Annual Debt Service. Higher interest rates of 200-300bp will not be a problem for borrowers.
As I noted in my June post, office and retail property loans probably will run into issues. I also think the above is more applicable to income-producing property loans than owner-occupied property loans.
As I write this, regional bank stocks are up 38% from their lows a few months ago. The market is telling us it has no concerns about CRE loans. I believe the market over the economists and pundits that are a broken record about CRE loan and a recession.
Shalom,
The Mann
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Addenda – In the real-world example above, I kept the refinancing at the current outstanding balance. The borrower is actually getting new monies and refinancing $800,000. The Annual Debt Service will be $75,586. The resulting LTV is 63% and DSCR is 1.29. Even with a significant increase in the loan amount, the loan ratios are in safe territory.
I continue to say both commercial and residential borrowers can easily afford 7%+ interest rate loans.